#313 Let me bore you to sleep - Jason Newland (26th January 2020)

Hello, welcome to jasonnewland.com. That's my website. I thought I'd just mention it because some people do ask me what it is. So it's jasonnewland.com. My name's Jason Newland.

This is Let Me Bore You To Sleep. Please only listen when you can safely close your eyes. Yeah, so here we are.

It is Sunday the 20... is it the 25th? It's the 31st on Friday. So 31st, 30th on Thursday, 29th on Wednesday, 28th on Tuesday, 27th on Monday. So it's the 26th today then.

Hello and welcome to the 26th of January 2020. This is Let Me Bore You To Sleep. I hope you're well.

Yeah, so as I speak to you, I have my tablet standing up. Not the ones I take for the bipolar but the, you know, Android tablet thing. And it is playing boxing or streaming boxing.

And it's Andy Garcia against Red Catch. It's round 4 of 12. And it was quite weird.

I saw I was streaming. I was watching a fight before this and it cut out because I'm streaming it but it's... the stream doesn't always work. So the one I'm watching now, the audio is about 30 seconds or 40 seconds ahead of the actual visual stuff that's going on.

So I had to turn the volume down because I can't because basically they're still fighting. There's still 30 seconds in the round and the bell's already gone and they're in the corners. You can hear them in the corner but they're still in the ring.

You know, it's just... it's weird. So I thought I'll put it on mute and instead of waiting, it looks like there's a lion. There's a lady in the audience and she's got like a fur coat or something around her neck and she looks like a lion.

She actually looks like a lion and she's got like a false tan. I'm sure she isn't a lion. Oh, they're just taking... they're just showing... possibly it's the wife of one of the boxers outside the ring watching and the little girl is there and suddenly she kind of became really self-conscious.

So that'll be interesting. That's quite funny. It might be... to be fair, I shouldn't make fun of the lion lady because it might be one of the boxer's wives or something.

Sorry Mr. Boxer that your wife is a lion. I mean, I don't know. She might not be a lion.

Well, it probably isn't actually a lion but it looks like one. But the mane was coming out. It was actually just a really hairy chest.

He just decided to use it as a scarf. Who knows? Who knows? Probably not. But one of the boxers got bright.

I don't know if it's yellow or green. It's almost fluorescent hair. Like yellow fluorescent hair.

Which in a way seemed like a silly idea because you're almost giving the other person a target. Like a really bright target that they don't even need to really look at because it's just there. Unless he's trying to distract the other one by blinding them with all the light shining off his head.

That could be it. That's what Marvin Hagler used to do. He used to have a bald head but the lights from above used to just... Seriously, everyone, even the boxer used to wear sun shades that he used to fight against.

He couldn't handle it because of all the glimmer from his head. Everyone, all the audience, they'd all be wearing sunglasses. Some people would actually be there.

The corner people, you know, the ones that... Actually it wasn't. It was the referee ones. I remember he was... Someone said, where's the referee? And he was laying down on a deck chair sunbathing off of Marvin Hagler's head.

Now if Marvin Hagler's listened to this, I love you. Please don't beat me up. Oh yeah.

I've been watching boxing for years and I know some people think... And he's also got fluorescent green shorts and shoes on as well. In my memory, right, in going back to like, you know, let's say 80s, 90s, sort of my youth, my memory of boxers were, they just wore black shorts and red gloves. That was it.

I'm pretty sure that was it. I know in America, there was the occasional really flamboyant boxer and we had Nassim Hamid, Prince Nassim Hamid here, who was really flamboyant. He was a superstar.

But most boxers just went into the ring with their shorts and red gloves, big red gloves. And you rarely see a pair of red gloves anymore. All different colours, white, gold, silver, green, fluorescent, yellow.

Why? So I'm not sure why. Maybe I need to research it. But there's not sure there's a reason.

Or maybe they thought, you know what, what we need to do is to let people wear different coloured gloves, because quite often the gloves match the shorts, you know, the colour of the shorts. I do quite like the PC, the way the commentators describe the boxers. Like, yes, that boxer is wearing, well, actually, it's quite weird, especially even if they're really famous boxers.

Let's say Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua. Or you could say even famous boxers like Manny Pacquiao or Mayweather or Spence Jr. these days. He's one of the most famous boxers.

There's so many. They always describe them by what they're wearing. So like Deontay Wilder.

Deontay Wilder, he's the one wearing gold shorts with green trim. And it's like, and the other bloke is, he's wearing brown shorts with red trim. Like, we know who they are.

If someone's watching a fight, a world champion fight, with someone, you know, for the World Heavyweight Championship, or they're watching Pacquiao fight and, you know, defending his world title or whatever title he's won this week, they don't need to be described by their shorts. Perhaps, I don't know, maybe. If it's two unknown people or someone that maybe you've never heard of, like, okay, it'd be good to know who they are.

But sometimes even they have the name on the shorts, like on the band of the shorts, like the waistband part. It doesn't even have their name on it. I'm sure it used to in the old days.

The old days, Karl. I'm getting so old. Should not use a term the old days.

Yeah, Garcia does not have his name on his waistband. Everybody in watching, basically, he's turned up to watch him. Well, not all of them, but a lot of them would have turned up to watch him because he's a bit of a, he's a big star in boxing.

In fact, when he walked in the ring, they were all shouting, Danny, Danny. Did I say Danny Garcia or did I say Andy Garcia? Danny Garcia. Danny, Danny, Danny, Danny.

You know, it's quite a few people. The fight before this was Jarrett Hurd, who was a former unified super welterweight champion who lost his title in the summer. I remember watching that.

And he, they were booing him. The audience were booing him because he wasn't doing what he normally does. And, you know, acting really aggressively and, you know, having a slugfest.

Instead, he decided to box. I mean, it's called boxing. He's allowed to box, you know.

The audience are like, oh, don't like that. And he won on points in the end. But I would say he could have gone in there and done what he usually does.

He could have knocked the bloke out in one or two rounds. But that's, you know, what good is that if he wants to get some rounds, if he wants to, you know, get a few rounds under the belt after not being active since May last year. You know, that's 12 rounds of some nice, it's a nice good spar, isn't it, for him against someone that, and the bloke he fought, how cool is this, the bloke was about 47 years old.

He'd had 25 fights, lost seven, had 12, knocked out 12 people. So he'd, you know, seven losses is quite a lot, isn't it, on a record. But he's fought a lot of people.

And he's, he's a really good test for an up and coming future champion. But if you, if you put him against someone that's just starting out, he may just well win. But this bloke works full time.

So he boxes part time. So he works, goes to, goes home, has a light lunch or a light evening meal, then goes to the gym, and then comes home again. That's where he lives.

And probably fights once or twice a year, and gets paid, he probably earns 50 to 100 grand a year, probably, maybe 50 grand a year, even, like, you know, averaging out some of the fights, and they might not be big ones, like the one he just had. So even if he earns 50 grand a year, and he fights once a year, or twice a year, that's a brilliant part time job, isn't it? I just fell in love with him. I was like, how cool would that be? He's a really good boxer.

But not world level, you know, in a sense of, I think if he's just not good enough to be a world champion, it just doesn't seem to be at that level. But he can, he can mix with the best of them, you know? Yeah, he must be able to give his family a really lovely life. Because he does what he loves doing, plus he works.

And yeah, I don't know, I just thought that'd be really cool to have that kind of, and I suppose, I suppose I kind of, because he's my age, nearly, he's 47, unless he was 37, but I think they said he was 47. And apparently he said to Jarrett Hurt, do you mind that I'm 47? I think Jarrett Hurt said to his partner, he said, well, if you don't mind, I don't mind. And they cuddled.

I don't know if they cuddled. I like to think they did. And I don't know, it just seemed really, really naughty of the audience to to be sort of like booing them.

Like, don't boo. Stop it. You can't, you know, it's boxing.

It's about skill. It's not always about hurting someone. You know, it's, although Andy, Andy Garcia, I don't want to keep calling him Andy.

I think there might be an Andy Garcia boxer. This is Danny. He has hurt him already, actually.

And so it's going to be, I would say it's going to be a stoppage. They'll stop it. Well, it might go, it might knock him out, but I reckon they're going to stop it.

The white, either the white towel chucked in or the referee will stop it. Because he's taking too much, too many punches. Thing is, Danny Garcia, I mean, you may not know who he is, but if you're a boxing fan, you will probably know.

He's just got a tremendous punch. There's not a boxer that he couldn't knock out. If he connected, he'd knock anyone out.

But he has been beaten twice. But you know, it's not all boxers are going to give him the opportunity to hit them. You know, some will be just be able to get, keep out of the way of that big, big, big right hand.

Well, to be fair, I think he can hit with both, but he can hit with both hands. You don't get anyone on boxers generally. But he's very, but he's a bit old now in boxing terms.

He's 33. And I mean, you can be older, but it's rare that people of that age go on to be, because he's former two weight world champion. Now he's, he wants to get another world title challenge.

This is Danny and my mate Danny. And he, you know, he's going to be fighting people 10 years younger than him now, or maybe six years younger, who are in the prime. So 33 heavyweight, 30, 31, 32, that can be a prime for some people in the heavyweight division.

Like late 20s, because probably maybe because of the strength. There's a lot of strength, someone at 30, that sort of seems to be the someone that's really fit seems to be at their sort of strength prime sometimes when they hit 30. There's a big, big slide down though, once you hit 30, sometimes.

But then there's those that defy the odds. Like Bernard Hopkins, or as they call him in America, Bernard Hopkins. But we say Bernard here.

Although I'd call him Bernard if I was face to face with him. Oh, yes. And I call him whatever he wanted me to call him.

And he, he won, I don't know how many different world titles he won. He definitely won middleweight title. He held that for one of the longest periods.

He also won the light heavyweight title. And he was, I think he was 48. So he was the oldest person in history to win a world title.

And in one of his fights at that old age, well, at that age, they were making such a big deal about him being so old. And they were mocking him and his opponent was mocking him in the pre-fight interviews saying, I haven't got a chance, you're an old man. Are you going to, do you want to help with your Zimmer frame? And you know, that kind of stuff.

Be careful of your, be careful of your hips. You know, that kind of stuff. And do you want to, do you want to have the, do you want to have a break so you can talk about the war, the good old days.

But anyway, what, what Bernard Hopkins did is not only did he win the fight, he, in between rounds to show that he wasn't old, he did press-ups. He was doing press-ups between the rounds. So while the other bloke, the other boxer was having his eye pushed in with the ice pack and having water and, you know, being given motivational chats and stuff, you can do it.

Just remember, hit him, hit him, keep hitting him, stop getting hit, hit him, hit him back, that kind of stuff. I imagine that they say to each other. And Bernard was doing press-ups and the audience were just going wild.

It was so funny. But not many boxers get to do that, not press-ups, but to go on for such a long time. But two that have is Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather Jr. And although Mayweather Jr. is retired, he's probably got to be 41 now, 42, Pacquiao is still going.

And he's, I think he's about 39, I think, 38, 39, which is old in boxing terms. Not many boxers get to, to get to be in the ring at that age. It's just really, really rare.

And he's the world champion or a world champion. And he holds a record for having the most, winning the most titles in different weights of any other boxer in history. And he's just phenomenal.

No one else fights like him. So yeah, that's my little, oh, this is going to be about boxing. This is, the good thing about this is really boring for people that don't like boxing.

So I can talk about a subject that I love and those listening can be bored, completely bored, totally bored. Oh, I should just say, well, I shouldn't, I don't have to say anything, I might say, I did a live broadcast on Facebook yesterday. No, no, today, early hours today, it was, was it half past one in the morning? It's now about, what time is it? It's now 5.08 am.

And the, what was I going to say? Yeah, it was quite nice because quite a few people came on and chatted with me. So that was nice. So if you go to my Facebook page, it's on there.

It's just a nice little chat. I don't know how long it lasted for, probably half an hour, perhaps 40 minutes, something like that. It was just a nice little cosy hello.

Someone came on and left a message saying, thank you for what you do and I'll be listening to you since 2006. And I said, at last, I've got evidence because, and this is what I say on the video, I talk about having been doing this since 2006, since I was 35 years old, I'm now 49 and I almost feel like I'm lying, but it's true. I really have been doing it for a long time.

Not this particular podcast, but you know, making recordings, making videos and stuff like that. This, you know, hypnosis-y, sleepy stuff. Sleepy.

So yeah, it's quite cool. It feels nice. In my first sleep recording, the first sleep video I uploaded to Myspace, which would be 2006.

And then in 2007, I think it's 2007. It might have been 2006. I lose track, you know.

2006. Or is it, I don't know, but YouTube and Facebook came along. Maybe it was 2007, but possibly it was 2006.

And that's when I started uploading videos and audios to you know, to YouTube and stuff like that. It might have been 2007. I lose track.

I do lose track. I'll put it this way. It was in a different century.

No, it wasn't, was it? It was in a different decade. That's it. A different decade.

A different century. Now, a different century is when I started studying hypnosis. That was the different century.

19, what was it? 1998. That's when I first started studying hypnosis. So yeah, 22 years.

This month, actually, I bought two books on hypnosis. I'd already been listening to audios about NLP, neurolinguistic programming, and hypnosis is part of that. And then I bought two books on hypnosis and I read them.

Then, what was it? No, it was 98. So 98, I did an NLP course at, what was it called? City University in London. City University in East London.

And I feel one of the evenings was a Tuesday and then one of the evenings was a Thursday because it was like a year-long thing. So basically, it was like during term time, but in the evenings. So that was my first, I don't know, kind of physical introduction to hypnotic techniques and NLP as in practicing with the other people in the group.

So yeah, it was quite cool. And then 1999, I did The Practitioner and The Master Practitioner in NLP. I also did a course in hypnosis as well, which was, what do they call it? It was a five, or was it a seven-day course, five or seven days.

Very intensive, all day, every day for, and it's quite a small group, probably 20 of us. But it was very intensive with, what was his name? Yeah, Michael Breen, I think it was. Yeah.

And he was in partnership with Paul McKenna. So it was quite cool. It was really good.

And this is weird. It's so long ago. Such a long time ago.

I'm glad I did it. I'm glad I... If I hadn't, I wouldn't be here doing this. Unless, I mean, who knows? I might have got to the point in my life when I just realized I was really boring and start thinking, I know what I'll do.

I'll make a recording and I'll record myself being boring. I'm not sure if that ever would have happened, outside of if I hadn't spent years making hypnosis recordings. I mean, basically, yeah, I did sort of 16, 12 years of making hypnosis recordings for sleeping and other things before I started doing this podcast.

Now, I used to... See, I go back to the boxing and I remember trying to think back, what were my first memories of watching boxing? There's a couple of fight, couple of like big events when I was a kid. There is Barry McGregor winning the world title. And again, for those that... For people, yeah, not everyone's gonna perhaps know who he is, but he was a superstar in this country.

A superstar, superstar boxer. He was the most famous boxer that we had at that time when he won the world title. So I remember that.

I don't remember it, but I vaguely remember it. But my memory of Barry McGregor was watching him fight Steve Cruz, I think his name was, in somewhere like Panama or something. And it was early hours in the morning.

I watched it live. I was 15 and I was living at my stepmum's mother's flat, sleeping on a camper bed. So I stayed up and watched it live, really low volume, so that her mum didn't come in and turn it off, which she liked to do if she could.

And Barry McGregor basically got dehydrated. It was like 100 plus degrees. And he never really recovered from that.

He lost the fight on... I'm not sure how the loss was. It might have been stopped. But if that fight had been, that boxing match had been anywhere else, a normal temperature, Barry McGregor would have won.

I really feel that, 100%. Because he was a better boxer. He was just way better.

But someone from Northern Ireland, or from England, or from Ireland, or from anywhere in this territory, this kind of air part of the world, Wales, Scotland, anywhere, we're not used to extreme heat. I mean extreme heat. But someone that lives in a place with extreme heat, and they'll grow up there and they live high level above sea, you know, they're acclimatized to it.

So they've got that advantage. That's why when I get in the ring, I'm not fighting in extreme heat. I've decided.

When I become the oldest world champion in history at 73. There's some old bloke, they're still fighting, there's some old bloke with glasses on. I say old, probably in his 50s or 60s or whatever.

But he had the look of complete happiness on his face. Really, really happy. Okay.

Excuse the chair. Oh brilliant, it's now been stopped. Either that or it's gone to the end.

So the thing cut out. The stream just cut outside to reboot. And I've no idea what's happened.

Either it's gone to the end of the fight. And they're just gonna, Danny's gonna win on points. Or Danny's just knocked him out.

And that's why they've gone. That's why they've kind of finished. Either way, it's the end of the fight.

I think. Is it? Keeps cutting out. I wouldn't mind if I was using the internet for anything else, but I'm not.

Well, apart from the websites are on my laptop, but that's just, I can't be using up any energy or any of the bandwidth. Sometimes the internet just cuts out. But luckily, recording these, I use an app.

So I can record it. I don't need the internet to record it. But I need the internet to upload it.

Which is okay. Unless I go live. If I lie, if I go live, then the internet needs to be connected the whole time.

Otherwise, it cuts off. I suppose kind of obvious. I'm just seeing an advert, which looks very strange.

Okay. What other box? Oh yeah, Ali, Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes, which was, I think, 1978, possibly. Maybe 1980 even, I don't know.

But Larry Holmes won that fight very easily. And Ali was way over the hill by then. He'd lost his mojo.

But what's weird is what isn't mentioned in boxing. This isn't mentioned in the history books. It is a reality, but Mike Tyson won the World Heavyweight Championship from Trevor Burbick.

And that's a famous fight. He won the world title. He knocked Trevor Burbick down.

Burbick got up and his legs just wobbled and he basically fell all around the ring. It's a very famous scene in the boxing history. And they almost seem to portray Trevor Burbick as not being a particularly good fighter.

When first of all, he was the world champion, but he didn't get any respect for being the world champion. He was all focused on Mike Tyson and all that stuff. He'd been the youngest heavyweight champion of the world in history.

And actually the reality was Trevor Burbick was the last person to beat Muhammad Ali. That was Ali's last fight and Trevor Burbick won. Trevor Burbick fought Larry Holmes for the world title.

He didn't win, but he was good enough to challenge for it. And they had a big historic bust up before the fight and Larry Holmes jumped off a car. That's kind of weird.

Again, this was in the 80s. So Trevor Burbick wasn't just someone that Mike Tyson knocked out. Trevor Burbick was actually a world champion, but he just didn't get the respect that I think he deserved.

Even though he was beaten by Mike Tyson, I don't think any person on the planet would have stood up to Mike Tyson on that night. He'd have knocked himself out. He could have knocked down a building, a building shaped like an elephant.

I don't know why it's shaped like an elephant. And you've got these little connections of different people and different boxes. So you've got, for example, Frank Bruno.

He was one of the biggest boxers in English history. Most famous boxers. He's a heavyweight boxer.

He challenged for the world title one, two, three times and lost three times. And on the fourth attempt, he won. And then he lost it again against Tyson, who he'd already lost before.

So he won the title on the fourth attempt. But very famous boxer in England. He's very big star and very lovable.

But also he has bipolar and he's now an advocate for mental illness or mental health issues. And he's even got his own boxing gym now that I think he's opened. He's got a charity and everything as an advocate for mental health.

So that's really, he's a really cool person. And the weird thing is the connections between him and the people that he fought. Because he got beaten by Bone Crusher Smith, knocked him out, got knocked out by Tim Witherspoon, who was the world champion.

He got knocked out by Mike Tyson, who was a champion. He got knocked out by Lennox Lewis, who was a champion. So he'd already been beaten four times, but gone for the world title three times.

And then on a fourth attempt, he won. Then he got knocked out again by Mike Tyson. So it's really weird.

Look at the people that knocked him out. They're all connected. Bone Crusher Smith knocked out Tim Witherspoon.

So both of those people knocked out Frank Bruno. Okay, so what's the other connection? Bone Crusher Smith knocked out Tim Witherspoon. Mike Tyson beat Bone Crusher Smith to win one of the world titles.

Didn't knock him out, couldn't knock him out, but he beat him on points. And Mike Tyson was knocked out by Lennox Lewis. So all those people were connected in that way.

Isn't it weird? And another little connection is Frank Bruno won the world heavyweight title against Oliver McCall. Yeah, a couple of years earlier, Oliver McCall, or a year earlier, I don't know. Yeah, it was, I don't know how long before.

Oliver McCall knocked out Lennox Lewis to win the world heavyweight title. And then Bruno came along and beat Oliver McCall to win the world title. And then Bruno, then Tyson came along and beat Bruno to win the world heavyweight title back.

And then later on, Lennox Lewis knocked out Tyson. And he was a stranger, a stranger. But every single fight that Frank Bruno lost, he was winning on points.

He was ahead on points until he got clipped. So he got hit, his guard went down, and that was the end of it. His hands went down, that was the end of it.

But every fight he was winning on points. A very notable one would be against Lennox Lewis. He was well ahead.

He was beating Lennox Lewis almost easily in Wales. He was in Cardiff in who knows what year it was, 95 maybe, something like that. 94, 95, 93.

I can't remember. Until Lennox Lewis caught him. And Bruno's just, then he, his arms went down and that was it.

And I suppose what I'm saying is Bruno was a heck of a much better boxer than he was given credit for. So there, that's what I'm saying. I mean, there was a period of time when boxing used to be on telly.

It used to be on Saturday afternoons when I was a kid. I never found it particularly interesting because there weren't anybody that I knew. There wasn't that excitement value.

Occasionally they'd show a world champion fight, you know, like a pre-recorded one. There may have been like world title fights that were shown late at night, but I was a kid and I never got to see them. But for some reason I was allowed to stay up to watch the Ali fight.

So I think my dad liked boxing as well. So we watched that. We stayed up and watched it.

It was kind of a, it was a big event. It was a really big event because it was Ali's attempt to win the world title again for the fourth time. And everyone loved Muhammad Ali at that point.

So yeah, that's what I thought. In my memory, my first real memory of getting really excited about boxing was with Frank Bruno. But often I'd have to listen to it on a radio because it wasn't on telly.

So I'd listen to radio, some BBC radio, sport or something. And then in about 85, Marvin Hagler and Tommy Hearns were getting ready to have a huge fight. But, and so it was a case of, they were both fighting other opponents and the winning of those fights would go on to fight each other.

That was kind of the plan. It seemed to be. Basically, if they both overcame the fighters, then they would clash.

And they did. They both fought each their fighters. I think it was on the same night as well, but I might be wrong.

I think it was even on the same bill, the same kind of night of boxing. They both fought together. Not together, but on the, you know, different opponents.

Not the same time. They just stay your half of the ring. That's it.

You stay your half of the ring, you two. No, it was separate. And then they ended up having their mega fight.

Tommy Hearns and Hagler, Hagler and Hearns. And it's a huge, huge fight worldwide. And I think it was probably Las Vegas or somewhere like that.

And it was, you know, fight of the year. I think some would class it as the round of, best round of all time. Or the round of the decade, you know, when they basically win each other really full on.

And that seemed to lead to these huge fights. These big fights. Because Leonard fought Hagler for the world title.

And I think Leonard actually came out of retirement to fight Marvin Hagler for the world title, the middleweight title. So I didn't know Leonard. I didn't really, because although I love, I like boxing, I wasn't as into it as I am kind of now, or have been over the years.

And also as American. And we didn't get a huge amount of American fights here. It's not like now when you can stream them and you've got box office and you've got YouTube, you know, so you can watch fights that weren't televised.

But I did, I kind of knew who he was. I used to read the magazines like KO and The Ring, The Ring back. So I used to read those magazines because I was interested in the other fighters, people that I didn't know.

And anyway, the build up to it was basically that Leonard didn't have a chance against Hagler. Because Hagler was a true middleweight. He was the best middleweight at that time of all time.

His classes are pretty much the best there's ever been. Although some would argue there's other middleweights in the past that perhaps would have you know, been better possibly. But and some may argue that middleweights from since Hagler would have been way better than Hagler.

Golovkin. How would Hagler have fared against Golovkin? You know, if they were both kind of in their prime. Yeah, it's there's lots, lots of different, somebody else's Alvarez, you know, lots of different fighters.

Hopkins is another one, middleweight. What about Junior, Jones Junior? How would Hagler have dealt with him? It'd have outpointed Hagler. Very likely, when they're both in their primes.

Primes, when they're both in their prime. Roy Jones Junior, in his prime, is there anyone that could have beaten him when he was in his prime? And he went from, he went from winning a world with a middleweight title, I think the super middleweight title, possibly light heavyweight title, I'm not sure. But he definitely went on to win the world heavyweight title, which is something that I don't think any middleweights ever done.

They've attempted it. I think Jack Dempsey attempted it, but didn't fulfill the requirements necessary. You know, it's a big weight difference.

But then some boxers, there might be a middleweight in the ring, but when they're out of the ring, they're a hell of a lot heavier. See, I'm like 15, I don't know, I'm just under 100 kilos, whatever that is in stone. But if I was in the gym, every day of the week, training as a boxer, my actual weight would be a lot less.

You know, I might end up losing two or three stone. So I might be boxing at, instead of being 15 and a quarter stone, I might end up fighting at 12 stone, or 11 stone, 10 stone even, who knows. I can't imagine being 10 stone, but I used to be.

That's a third of my weight gone, isn't it? So I'd be a lot lighter. With all that training. And what you find is the middleweight, someone who's maybe, I don't know what middleweight is, is it 12 stone, I think.

They, when they retire, and you see them a couple of years later, they look like a heavyweight. Because they're not training all the time like they were. And they're naturally a lot bigger than what they would, it's just all the training that kept their weight down.

This is boring, I love it. This is going to send so many people to sleep. I can't believe he's talking about boxing for an hour.

It's been an hour he's been talking about boxing. Why? Why? I'm thinking what other boxers. So Leonard did go on and beat Hagler on points.

So he won the world middleweight championship. And then Leonard and Hearns fought again, because they'd already fought previously, and Leonard won that one. And then Durant, Roberto Durant came along.

And he had a massive, a big fight as well. So it's those four, they were the four of the biggest boxers in the world. Like famous, Roberto Durant, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns, and Leonard.

So it's kind of, oh, so they all kind of fought each other. Hagler said that, I don't know if he said this, but I'm sure he said, if this chump wins, I'm going to quit. I'm retiring.

Not going to be beaten by this chump. So I don't know if he actually said that, but he did say that he was going to retire if he lost. And he lost and he retired.

And I think he's hired out, because there's some places where there's not enough sun. There's a lot on beaches and stuff. So what he does is they hire him to just stand there and kneel down and have the sun shining off his head, which then he does.

And brightens up and people can sunbathe on the beach, even when it's a cold day. So he can do that in the winter. So he gets paid quite a lot of money for that.

I think you get paid at least $15 an hour. So I think he's happy. And what other things does he do? Yeah, they've been doing experiments trying to duplicate his head.

Because they realized that the solar energy that could be that could be created would be phenomenal. So the idea is to have Marvin Aguilar's head or duplicate of it, not his actual head, on every roof on the planet. And it would, in fact, they said if he could just get four of his heads, you know, just around the planet, that would probably, the solar energy from those domes would keep the entire world running.

And I don't know if that's true or not. Because of his shiny head. But it might not be true.

What other ones? I also, Leonard fought Danny LaRue and won the world's I think it was light heavyweight championship. And again, like many other fighters, he fought on too long and ended up losing. Eventually.

Hearns, however, Hearns, however, went on to win the world light heavyweight championship. So he went on longer than the others. And he fought someone, I think it was Dennis Andres.

And he knocked him out, which is an amazing feat when you consider Hearns was a very lightweight. He was the lower levels of weight. He managed to fight a light heavyweight and win the world title.

But I think what he had in his favor, he was very tall. So he could, and I suppose as he aged, you know, putting weight on probably just happened naturally anyway. So it would have been quite hard to stay at 45 pounds or 30 kilos or whatever he was to start with.

30 kilos. That's as small as the size of a little dog, isn't it? 30 kilos. Oh dear.

Mind you, a bag of sugar, one kilo bag of sugar. So I'm the weight of 100 bags of sugar. Sugar is probably a good name for it really.

Not because I'm sweet, but just because the amount of sugar that's rushing through my body at any given moment. Other people that I used to like to watch, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Prince Nassim Hamid, he's just my favorite boxer, you know, from that period, simply because it was so good. And he was so cocky as well.

It was funny. And he became a superstar. And part of that was because of his flamboyancy.

He's similar kind of to, in America, there was someone called Hector Camacho. And he was a superstar over there. He was very flamboyant, wore clothes and dressed up and stuff.

And Prince Nassim did that as well. And he was so good, so quick, so flashy, and a brilliant, brilliant boxer. One of the best ever, I would say.

And he ended up losing his titles to someone. It's terrible, I forget his name. And he quit.

Prince Nassim quit. And he lost on points. But he quit.

He said no. We didn't quit straight away. He had one fight where he was bored.

He had a fight which went the distance and he didn't do anything. He just went in there, went through the motions, won it on points. But it almost looked like he wasn't even in the ring, like his head was elsewhere.

And then he quit. And he said, I'm coming back. But then he never did.

At one point, he said he was going to come back as a heavyweight. But he was, I think he was a flyweight or featherweight when he was boxing. And he was so great, such a great boxer.

The weird thing about it, when he lost, he lost to a future, like a really, really good boxer that went on to win world titles and went on to be like a boxing star. So if he'd have known that, perhaps he wouldn't have felt so bad about losing. Because then, like he lost to a really, really great boxer.

But I heard in an interview a couple of years back, Nassim, Prince Nassim said, well, the real reason I packed it in, because I kept hurting my hands. Because I punched too hard. And he kept breaking his hands and he didn't want to keep going through all that every time.

So that's why. Which is fair enough. I mean, it's up to him, isn't it? But it's just a shame because he was so good.

It was the most fun to watch, pretty much out of most of the boxers that I've seen. So much fun to watch. It was just, it was almost funny as well while he was in the ring.

Like a comedy act sometimes. The way he'd just wobble around and dance and stuff. And then, you know, we used to have boxing on TV late at night, Saturday nights.

Usually the heavyweight title fights would be on three to watch. You know, if you're willing to stay up till three in the morning, four in the morning on ITV. That's when there was only four channels.

BBC1, BBC2, ITV and Channel 4. And then in 2007, it might be late 2006, but I'm pretty sure it's 2007, Channel 5 came along. 1997, sorry. Between 96 and 97, Channel 5 appeared.

And so in the early 90s, we used to get to watch fights on ITV3. And then eventually, over time, a lot of the big fights were just taken up by Sky. And I didn't have access to Sky.

Because I was living in rooms, I didn't have my own home. And I didn't have a satellite dish. And you know, you can't generally move into a, you know, rent a room out and then put a satellite dish on the wall outside.

So yeah, I just, I missed out on a lot of stuff. A lot of boxing pretty much between 2000 and 2008. So for about eight years, I saw hardly any boxing at all.

Just because, I mean, I used to watch it online, you know, YouTube and stuff. But occasionally, there'd be fights on ITV, BBC1, but it wasn't that often. Sky seemed to have just monopolized it.

And then I moved into this place when I was a student, when I was at university. And occasionally, my landlord would invite me down to watch the boxing. Well, not down, because I was on the bottom floor anyway.

But he'd invite me to watch the boxing with him. He'd have a couple of his friends there, be early hours of the morning. And I watched like probably three, four fights over the time I was there.

So again, I didn't watch many, but it was really nice for him to do that. And they were like live in America, you know. And I continued watching fights on YouTube, ones that I missed.

So it wasn't until I moved in here, which will be five years in three months, when I started being able to watch boxing on TV again, because I had Sky. Because I moved in, I was on EE. That was my internet.

Because I moved, I had EE internet broadband to my other place, moved here, and I just transferred it. I was getting such a slow broadcast, such a slow, I think it was something like less than five megabytes a second. It wasn't even fast enough to watch Netflix or YouTube.

So I just, you know, I said that they, you know, they said, we can keep it if you want, but we'll give you two months free. I said, why would I keep it? It is ridiculous. And he said, yeah, I know.

It's like, why, why is it so slow? I don't know. So I said, I'll just, because before it was fairly fast at the other place. It's like, I don't understand it.

It makes no sense. So I said, no, just cancel it. I called up Sky.

And I got, I got broadband. But then they offered me a package for the TV, like a really huge discount on the television, all the programs, movies. And I didn't take the sport package because I don't really watch sport outside of boxing.

But it gave me, once I was with them, I was able to buy the box office boxing, you know, so when there was a big fight on, I could purchase it and watch it on the telly. Or like now, if there's a night of boxing, it might not be a big fight, but it might be, well, it might be a big fight, but it might just be a case of purchasing a day pass to watch all the Sky sport, which I sometimes do. And I've also got access to the other sports channels, if I want to buy, if I want to watch a fight.

So it's, it's opened up and it's opened up more possibilities with the streaming networks around the streaming technology. I guess like what we're using now, if you're listening to this, it just, it's so great. It's really, really good.

Which means I can watch those things, the boxing, the big, the big ones, you know, something to look forward to. So yeah, that's it really. I thought I got to say on that subject.

So yeah, I'm a, I've been a big, big boxing fan for a long time. And it really, I suppose it really started with, kind of started with Bruno, I guess, and Hegler. But Bruno, Frank Bruno is pretty much the first person I got excited about.

That was in the early eighties. And then, yeah, so, so we're talking, what, probably 83, possibly, roughly. So I'll say 93, 2003, 2013.

Oh, so that's 37 years. Is that right? Yeah, 37 years. So I've been a boxing fan for quite, quite some time.

It's quite weird. I've been a boxing fan long, longer than most, pretty much all of the boxers that are in the ring nowadays, because most of them are a lot younger than that. And I'm still, I'm still like a little baby, really.

I'm only 49. So it's very young. Yes, it is.

I don't care what you say. It's very young. It is very young.

Stop arguing. It's very, very young. Honestly.

Anyway, I'm going to go. I think it's, I hope I've bored you enough with this. So remember to be kind to yourself, because you deserve to be happy.

And I'll speak to you again tomorrow. Lots of love. Bye.